Dear Community,
Now that a new release has been published, I'm working also on the general supporting structure of the project. I'm planning a new web site, forums, wiki, etc... Ideas are appreciated.
But, maybe it is also time to face a problem that we have always had in the project: the editor name.
Of course I love the actual name (my initials are there... and they sound really good ). But, as many of you have noted, it could sound really bad for English language speakers.
Well, the bad side of it in reality is inside people minds, but I was unlucky with it, and I have now to fix it for this so important peace of the market. Otherwise the project will continue having this dark side that doesn't represent how serious it is.
To avoid drastic changes and to make it recognizable for those who already know us, I have thought about a small change: CKeditor.
It seams to be a good choice, but to avoid complications like the FCKeditor name issue, I'm coming to you to ask your opinion and ideas regarding it.
I know much of you will say: "Just leave FCKeditor! Don't care about such things!". I agree with it, but still I need to face this change, so please give your opinions regard the change.
I thank all you very much for any help in this sense.
Best regards,
Frederico Caldeira Knabben
Thu, 07/05/2007 - 03:29
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CKeditor is ok, but Freditor is great!!!

I (for one) use the editor, not the name, the real thing.
I understand some <<insert any thing here>> might suppose it means something else...
My opinion (FWIW):
Don't lose time for that, we need code, no such worries, so wait something like 1 month, and pick whatever name sounds good to you (which cannot be confused with something else of course), and let's get back to real work
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How about Freditor
Actually I don't really care, but if you are going to change the name, I would suggest to use a completely different name.
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Or does it sounds like any other english word?
Before choosing the final winner just look that there isn't any other product with that name and that no one has hijacked the domains
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"FCKeditor" has the unfortune of reminding people on first site of it, of a certain anglo-saxon word. Fred - sorry, but true, and my own boss has commented on that, even though we use it ourselves.
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Yes... I liked "Boilerplate"... but http://www.boilerplate.com
Frederico Knabben
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- Caldeira (Babylon.com gave me this: French-English -> caldera, basin-like crater at the summit of a volcano; Portuguese-English -> boiler; kettle)
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The problem with Caldera, is that it's the name of a distribution of Linux which SCO owns. There is a /huge/ scandal there, as SCO basically claims to own Linux and is demanding royalties off everyone that uses any part of it.
So, if you rename it to Caldeira, then you may get some bad-will associated with it.
Most Windows users will not notice it, but Linux users will see the name, and automatically think of bad things.
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Thanks for your ideas. Some of them are nice. Also the Caldeira is nice, but there are too many Caldeira's out there... no domain available.
Actually I'm not looking for the final name here in this thread. I just want to have your opinions about changing, so I can take the correct approach with it. And all you are being really nice with your comments. I thank you so much.
FredCK
Frederico Knabben
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it's difficult to find a name that doesn't have a twisted meaning. I said out loud FREDITOR, and it sounded strange and after a little I realized: -> Fredictor -> predictor, that's the name (or used to be) of a pregnacy test XD
Whatever!
Just make it easy the upgrade path if you change the API and I'll be happy.
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I don't really care much about the name. The name can be changed whenever you want, important is that such a nice product like the FCKeditor is exists.
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my 2c:
KnabbEd
http://onlinedictionary.datasegment.com/word/knabbed
As knabbing on the content
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I suppose there may be individuals/companies that choose not to use this very awesome product because of the name, but I have to think it's an insignificant number or an insufficient basis on which to make a disruptive business decision.
A different reason that I would consider legitimate (assuming there is a reason to believe this happens) is if people are rejecting fckeditor because at first glance they think continued development is directly dependent on one person's involvement. That would seem a much more valid business justification for rejection. If this reason carries weight, then ckeditor is just as inappropriate as the current name.
Just my two cents...
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Hi Nick,
). So, probably CKeditor also is not the right choice.
You caught another important point here.
Actually there is a business model applied behind FCKeditor that is tied to the marketplace. I have noticed that the editor is much better accepted in the European market than the US (which correspond to 1/3 of the editor users!).
The proposed change to CKeditor was a try to not loose more than 3 years of history of this project. You have pointed an important issue and much probably a possible new name will not be linked to my name (as nicely proposed by other
Well... thanks for the ideas... let's continue with it, we are in the right direction.
Thanks again,
FredCK
Frederico Knabben
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I like the current name.

If you ask me, the reason it hasn't took off in the US like it has in, say, the UK, isn't in any way related to the name. (If that's true- where'd you get the market survey?)
I think that Americans are pretty ego-centric, and beyond that, language-centric, so in general you'll see a lot less multi-lingual applications in the US than you would in say, Europe, where it's crucial-er.
But just give us slow americans a little time, and I bet we get on the bandwagon. I think we may be starting to realize that the rest of the world is as important to us as the US is. Or at least important... If not, we'll be forced too, sooner or later, and I bet THEN you'd see a pickup in the usage of FCKEditor...
But I really doubt it has much to do with the name, if at all.
I'd never made the connection to fornication- some post in the "help" forum was the first I'd seen that did so, and it made me laugh, out loud, when I saw it.
But I read it "Eff See Kay Editor". Maybe that's it, the new name: Efsikay.
Naw, if it's gotta be new, freditor is cool, a name is just a name anyways.
And here i was, thinking FCK stood for Free Cool Kode. Hehehe.
Really, I would laugh my ass off if a client told me they had a problem with FCKEditor, as a name.
I'd ask how old they were, what their reading level was, and then tell them I use a command called "fsck" on their data, and have been fsck-ing their data for years.
If they giggled I'd hand up on 'em.
Next the marketoids will want the X out of XML, because it's too eXtreme sounding (or looking?). Don't give in, Fred! Say it ain't so! No bloody american market is worth it!
If it has to change, and Efsikay isn't good, how about redakti? Or editoro, redaktilo, reaktisto, redaktoro?
Bah. I vote for leaving it the same, and I think wisnick has the right idea about reasons for a name change. (Although I kind of like the personal link to the creator, and wouldn't mind keeping the FCK even if Fredstar bounces off to other projects, or gives up control).
I've seen reference to FCKEditor in several locations, across various projects and languages, so changing it will certainly effect people finding this great editor they heard about.
There are ways to mitigate that though, and anyone who knows how to google would surely find a link somewhere, so, eh... if you want to change the name, go for it man. I'll remember it fondly no matter what happens.
Congratulations on your success, Fred! FCK is quite an editor, and not bad initials. I like them just fine. Change is fine too. It's your show, no matter the name- please just keep it "open".
May you make tons and oodles of money! cheers!
:ExEnDen *giggles*
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Markets are always acting in a conservative way; they don't like changes. They will always think: 'What's behind this change?' 'Can I still trust it?'.
With 3 years of development 'FCKeditor' is well known amongst programmers troughout the world. Don't get them confused.
And also i ask: is there really a reason to believe that programmers don't use the editor because of it's name?
Just my 2 cents.
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If you're going to appeal to Americans, you might need less syllables
(Please no flames, I'm joking OK!)
I don't really care what it's called ... our clients don't ever really see the name anyway. But if you are going to change it I'd go for something non Fred-connected ... something boring like OpenEditor or OSEdit.
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When a name has rollen out, maybe it's an idea to set up an advertisement project like firefox did (http://www.firefoxflicks.com/brief/brief.html), but then also (or only) with images and slogans.
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Some thoughts for a new name are:
- ricoEdit
- (Or in the line of Word and Writer: ) Coder
- Nexus (Which means connection or centre of something)
- HTMLManager/contentEditor/contentManager/CMSGear
- wwwrite
- Something with a color? orangeEditor, blueEditor or skyEditor
- Caldeira (Sounds great! Babylon.com gave me this: French-English -> caldera, basin-like crater at the summit of a volcano; ortuguese-English -> boiler; kettle)
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or HTMLHive (Where hive can mean "store up, save in a safe place", see http://www.babylon.com/display.php?id=6 ... 45&level=3)
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(who the hell is Fred?).
It's an easy to remember name
and sounds good.
Maybe someone could create a Fred(-itor)-logo.
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Fred, like in "Frederico Caldeira Knabben" -> FCKeditor :p

I read 'Preditor' there for a moment
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Or FreckoEditor (Inspired on Gecko http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Gecko)
RE: Frecko
I would go for "Freditor" it sounds like "Freedom Editor"